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Piper speaks with renowned Olympic Three-Day Event rider Boyd Martin about his illustrious career and how he approaches this sport. Brought to you by Taylor, Harris Insurance Services. Listen in!

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  • Host: Piper Klemm, Publisher of The Plaid Horse
  • Guest: Boyd Martin began riding at a young age in his native Australia. Boyd won his first CCI4* (now known as CCI5*) at the 2003 Australian International Three-Day Event riding True Blue Toozac. Boyd moved to the United States in 2007 to further his career as an eventing professional, serving as the assistant trainer to Olympian Phillip Dutton for two years before starting his own business and also began riding for the United States in 2009. Boyd is a three-time Olympian, representing the U.S. in London in 2012, in Rio de Janeiro in 2016, and in Tokyo in 2020. Boyd is a four-time U.S. Eventing Team member for the FEI World Equestrian Games/FEI World Eventing Championships, most recently capturing team silver at the FEI Eventing World Championships in Pratoni del Vivaro, Italy in September. With Pancho Villa, he was a member of the U.S. team that won gold at the 2015 Pan American Games and in 2019, he won team and individual gold at the Pan American Games with Tsetserleg TSF. In 2021, Boyd won the inaugural Maryland 5 Star with Christine, Thomas, and Tommie Turner’s Anglo European mare, On Cue, becoming the first American to win a CCI5* since 2008. Martin has twice been the USEF CCI5*-L Eventing National Champion at the Land Rover Kentucky Three-Day Event, in 2019 with Tsetserleg TSF and in 2021 with On Cue. He was named USEA Rider of the Year in 2021 and On Cue was named USEA Horse of the Year the same year. Boyd finished fourth overall at the Land Rover Kentucky Three-Day Event in 2022, becoming the USEF CCI5* Eventing Reserve National Champion with Tsetserleg TSF. In May, he won the CCI4*-L at the Tryon International Equestrian Center with the Annie Goodwin Syndicate’s Federman B. Boyd and his wife, Grand Prix dressage rider Silva Martin, own and operate their farm, Windurra USA, which is a world-class training facility sitting on more than 75+ acres in the heart of Pennsylvania hunt country. 
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Piper Klemm: This is The Plaidcast. I’m Piper Klemm, publisher of The Plaid Horse Magazine, and coming up on today’s show, I’m going to be speaking with renowned Olympic three-day event rider Boyd Martin about his illustrious career and how he approaches the sport. The Plaidcast is brought to you by Taylor Harris Insurance Services. Boyd Martin began riding at a young age in his native Australia. Boyd won his first CCI 4-star, now known as a CCI 5-star, at the 2003 Australian International Three-Day Event, riding True Blue Toozac. Boyd moved to the United States in 2007 to further his careers at inventing professional, serving as the assistant trainer to Olympian Phillip Dutton for two years before starting his own business, and also began riding for the United States in 2009. Boyd is a three-time Olympian representing the US in London in 2012, Rio de Janeiro in 2016, and Tokyo in 2020. Boyd is a four-time US. Eventing Team member for the FEI World Equestrian Games, FEI World Eventing Championships, most recently capturing Team Silver at the FEI Eventing World Championships in Italy in September. He was a member of the US team that won gold at the 2015 Pan American Games, and in 2019, he won the team and individual gold at the Pan American Games. In 2021, Boyd won the inaugural Maryland Five Star with On Cue, becoming the first American to win a CCI Five Star since 2008. Martin has twice been the USCF CSI Five Star Eventing National Champion at the Land Rover Kentucky Three Day Event in 2019 and 2021. He was named US. Eventing Association Rider of the Year in 2021, and On Cue was named US. Eventing Association Horse of the Year in the same year. Boyd finished fourth overall at the Land Rover Kentucky Three Day Event in 2022, becoming the USCF CCI Five Star Eventing Reserve National Champion. In May, he won the CCI Four Star at the Trienn International Equestrian Center. Boyd and his wife, Grand Prix dressage rider Silva Martin, own and operate their farm Wendura USA, which is a world class training facility sitting on more than 75 acres in the heart of Pennsylvania hunt country. Welcome to The Plaidcast, Boyd.

Boyd Martin: Hey, how are you Piper? Thanks for having me on.

Piper Klemm: So as we know, there are many hunter jumpers listening and a lot of new people to the sport. Can you briefly describe what three day eventing is looking for out of a horse and what each phase emphasizes from a training perspective?

Boyd Martin: Yeah, I mean, it’s an excellent question. And as the sport of eventing gets more and more competitive, the top horses are harder and harder to find. We, you know, unlike dressage or jumping or hunters, we, you know, we needed the jack of all trades. Obviously, our sport is three phases, almost like a triathlon. We’ve got dressage, so you need a good mover, a trainable horse for that. Then you got the cross country and you need a brave horse that’s got a great gallop, that’s courageous and got stamina. “And then we’ve got the show jumping, which obviously we need a horse that’s careful and got scope in its jump. And we need that horse all in one. So it’s a very, very special, unique horse. And in the old days, the cross country was so, so important that it sort of the best cross country horse was sort of the most ideal sort of type. But now the cross countries can only get so hard. Now we need horses that the dressage and the show jumping is getting harder and harder.  So we’re erring towards more dressage, show jumping types that can still gallop. So I hope that answered your question.

Piper Klemm: It’s super interesting how all sides of horse sports are evolving for so many constraints, obviously, like even right down to the land we have to use for it, you know, and making show jumping and dressage more difficult might allow for eventing to exist in more physical locations as the world changes. 

Boyd Martin: Yeah, I mean, you’re dead, right. Like a lot of our courses, our cross-country courses, are on smaller and smaller bits of land. And, you know, it makes for a bit more of a twisty, turny cross-country course, not just the speed course where you could just gallop in a straight line. So you need an agile horse that’s speedy and can slow down really quickly and can accelerate quite quickly. And then we’re starting to do a bit of this arena eventing. Actually, I’m off to Sweden next week to compete in Stockholm to do that arena eventing. And that’s becoming very, very popular around the world as well. So it’s, you know, it’s our sports changing all the time where it’s, you know, we need different types of horses. The Olympics and the World Championships is a slightly different animal than what you’d want to win like Badminton or Burleigh. So it’s, yeah, we sort of almost need a couple of different types of horses in our barn.

Piper Klemm: How is an Olympic horse different from Badminton and Burleigh? Like, what are different things that the Olympics ask that those trials don’t?

Boyd Martin: So the Olympics now, I mean, I was lucky enough to go to three Olympics and four wigs. And the cross country distance in all these competitions have got shorter and shorter and shorter every time I went to a championship. So the need for a really thoroughbred horse that’s got stamina and, you know, that can keep going and going and going for 11 or 12 minutes, you know, now the, let’s see, the, you know, the wig and the Olympics were only seven or eight minutes long. So now you and the show jumping is harder, you know. And the other thing I think with the Olympics now, it’s such a public, public competition. And they’re trying to cater for more nations that they, you know, they have to make the cross-country safe enough that if they, you know, retracting some of the nations that eventing is not a really popular sport, that they’ll still survive and not make a bad picture. So, yeah, the Olympics and the wig is now harder in the dressage and show jumping and the cross-country has actually got slightly easier and safer. And then, yeah, the Badminton’s and Burleys and Kentucky’s, they’re still just special events where the only the best of the best can compete. And the horses, they have to be very, very special horses to even have the attributes to get around the cross-country. So it’s funny how it’s all changing.

Piper Klemm: How long just like on average is like a Kentucky or a Badminton or Burley cross-country course just for comparison? I don’t really have a sense of that.

Boyd Martin: Yeah, no, usually they’re around 11 minutes 30. So which I think is a bit over four miles. And they’re big jumps and they’re hilly country.  And, you know, they’re a real, real challenge like you have to get your horse very, very fit. And then you also need a rider that can really go for it. And then I think in Tokyo, the time on the cross country was seven or eight minutes from memory. So it was a much shorter distance. And I think it’s still, how do I say it? I don’t want to confuse the listeners. It’s still the best of the best competing at these championships. And I still truly believe the best horse wins. It just, the dressage and show jumping is equally as important as the cross country, where I believe when you go to the Kentuckys and Babingtons and Burleys and whatnot, the cross country sort of counts for 60% of it. And then the dressage and show jumping is 20% or something like that, you know?

Piper Klemm: Absolutely. So how do you begin training a horse for this? How does like home look like? How do you, you know, if a horse drops in your lap with all these attributes, with the bravery and the raw materials, where do you even begin with that?

Boyd Martin: Well, I mean, I think everyone, all the riders around the world or the top riders around the world have their own system. And not just their own system, but they’ve got their own training facility. And, you know, we’re very, very blessed to hear in America that everyone’s got a lot of land and country that we’ve, you know, at our place we’ve got a gallop track and we’ve got a cross-country schooling course and we’ve got indoor arenas and outdoor arenas and jumping courses and conditioning ponds and everything you can dream of. And we’re next to 3000 acres of protected land. So our horses, just their normal day-to-day training helps produce them. By saying that, there’s riders that are much better than me in other countries that are on three acres, you know, in Holland and Germany, and it’s remarkable when I go overseas and look at horses for sale and go to other people’s farms of how well people do from such different sort of training facilities. For us, you know, I think with training event horses, there needs to be some sort of conditioning work or fitness training or every second day. So either longhacks or trot sets or cantislet sets, or we’ve got a conditioning pond, you know, or we’ve got a treadmill horse walker. So that sort of happens to the horses every second day, which sort of over time really builds them into an athlete. And then obviously we’ve got our dressage and show jumping rings that we, you know, continuously trying to educate our horses, hopefully on the sort of same path as, you know, proper dressage and show jumping trainers. And then, you know, cross-country is again just another part of our sport that we have to slowly but surely educate the animals of what water is, what a ditch is, banks, jumping jumps at speed. And, you know, it’s fun.  I’m married to a dressage rider, you see. So there are, you know, most of the dressage people just do dressage. And we’re lucky. We do a little bit of everything every day. So it keeps it interesting.

Piper Klemm: And then how do you kind of manage all of the kind of ups and downs? I mean, I would imagine there’s a lot of rehab that goes along with this. I would imagine there are a lot of maybe not injuries, but like stresses and strains and muscle rebuilding. What do you view as building up all that muscle and kind of that overall approach for that? And more specifically, like how during an event, what are some things that you do to have the horse prepared for Sunday after Saturday?

Boyd Martin: Yeah, I mean, it’s, you know, but as you get more and more intrigued into the sport, the physiotherapy of the, you know, these horses aren’t just horses, they’re athletes. And, you know, trying to do this cross-training idea where there’s all different types of exercises in your training that can build core strength and stamina, endurance, top line. And I think doing, you know, doing a variety of training methods, be it, you know, with the cantering the hills, horses, uphills. We do that quite a lot. You know, we have a pond that the horses trot in that goes past their knees, almost like an aqua tread. And, you know, like you said, there are injuries for horses and riders. And unfortunately, our sports probably, you know, leans a bit more towards that just because of the fixed jumps we have to jump and the high speeds that we have to go. So it’s, you know, the horses, some are tougher than others. And I also a true believer that it just takes so long to build your animal up. You know, if you get a horse and funny enough, we’ve often got horses that weren’t quite going to make it as a show jumper. And, you know, when they come into our program, the first couple of months, they just don’t know, their bodies just aren’t used to dealing with the different types of training that we do. And then as time goes on, they slowly but surely build strength and muscle tone and get the hang of the idea and start really enjoying it. And their physiques actually change considerably, too, if you have photos or videos of them early on and the next year and the year after. I don’t know, like the fitness that we put into the horse, Piper, is, I don’t know, like it’s a building type. Like the training that we’re putting into them at the moment will benefit next year and the year after. It compounds on itself, if that makes any sense.

Piper Klemm: Absolutely. And that’s a very long-term approach to a world that wants very short-term answers. 

Boyd Martin: Yeah, no, it’s a long game. And, you know, the important thing is that you start out with the right horse, because there’s just years and years, very similar to your hunters or jumpers or dressages. You know, you’ve got to start out with the horse that’s got the quality, because there’s just thousands and thousands of hours of training and riding and practice and shipping around the country and, you know, all within the hope that eventually as a 12 or 13 year old horse that they’re going to be the champion of the world. So it’s critical that you really, you know, you start out with the ideal horse or the best horse you can get your hands on. And also one that, you know, looks like it’s got longevity, good confirmation, good feet, good work ethic, because it’s such a long road, you know, to get them, build them up. But it’s the same in every horse sport. I suppose racing is the quickest one. You know, they buy horses, a two-year-old, and they’re off to the Kentucky Derby the next year. And then they’re retired, you know, where in our horse sports, it’s a, you know, it’s a 10-year journey sometimes, isn’t it?

Piper Klemm: Or more, yeah. So let’s talk about you a little bit. You grew up in Australia to an athletic family. What was, what was the riding looking like when you were growing up? And how did your parents being athletes kind of help them understand and fuel your competitive goals?

Boyd Martin: You know, I had a, I had an interesting upbringing. I mean, I had a great upbringing, to be quite honest. I grew up in near the northern beaches of Sydney, not far from Manly Beach. Anyone that’s familiar with, with Australia. And, yeah, my parents were both Olympic athletes. My mum was a speed skater from America, and my dad was a cross-country skier from Australia. So sport was huge in our family. And we had three acres sort of on the real outskirts of Sydney. And Pony Club was a big deal. And riding, you know, jumping off the school bus and hopping on your pony and meeting your friends down the end of the road and riding through the forests and the trails and racing each other till it was dark. And, you know, and on top of that, I was a terrible, terrible student. And so the thoughts of me being an accountant or a brain surgeon was zero. So lucky for me, as soon as I finished high school, at 17, I became a working student and I never looked back. I just put my head down, loved horses. Yeah, loved the journey, the partnership, the camaraderie with the other riders. And had, you know, growing up in Australia was great. And basically got to about the age of 29 and wondered if what the rest of the world was like. So I jumped on a cargo plane with a horse to America and ended up here.

Piper Klemm: We’re seeing athletes in all sports have unprecedented careers. You know, I was reading an article recently that Venus and Serena Williams careers were like 10 years longer than their even their father thought that their careers would be. You know, the eventing riders going longer and longer, the show jumping riders themselves going longer and longer. How has that kind of reshaped your career? What do you think some of the benefits are of of the experience? And, you know, and I think with the horses to the fact that you’re able to take the longer game, the 10 year game with the horses instead of, you know, worrying that that your own career is going to be not long lived. I think it’s a really fascinating, different approach that athletes have to take nowadays from even 10 years ago or 20 years ago.

Boyd Martin: Yeah, it’s really interesting. I mean, the biggest thing for me is I just got injured so many times. I had I think I’ve had like nearly 21 surgeries and my body really was starting to fall apart about three or four years ago. Like I tore my groin four times and had hip surgery twice in one year. And, you know, the reality for me personally, my heart and my desire is at full capacity. And the scary thing for me was is trying to figure out if my body would actually keep lasting for as long as I wanted to go. So I had to really make some lifestyle changes with the understanding that I had to change the way I was treating my body and how I took myself on as an athlete. And they were good changes, like I’m a healthier person now, I’m stronger, I’m fitter, I’m lighter. And that was a huge thing, because this is the game, this is a wise man’s sports and the top top champion riders are often the people with the most experience. It just takes so long to learn all of this stuff. It’s interesting that the other thing you’re always up against is how long can you hang in there? This is a full time, 100% obsession type, all in mindset for the sport. And honestly, some people find it very, very hard to stay on that sort of top, top level for decades. And that’s the, the other hard part is how do I, you know, can I love this sport as much as I love it until I’m 50 or 60, you know? And I’m lucky for me, I’m one of those people that just, just love it, just love every part of it. I don’t mind the hard work. You know, we’re in a fortunate position now where, you know, we’re sort of at a level in the sport where we can make good money out of it. And, you know, but that’s a hard road for some people. It is physically hard. It’s mentally draining. There’s so many setbacks and there’s a lot of reasons to give it all up and be normal. So, you know, there’s a lot of balls that you got to juggle in the air of keep, you know, keep being obsessed with becoming the best rider you can be and keep learning. Obviously, number two is getting the best horses you can get your hands on. And number three is, as you get older, it’s harder and harder to stay hungry and desperate and keen and push yourself to the limit all the time, you know, and to, you know, to be the very, very best that it takes an amazing amount of discipline and obsessiveness, you know, and it’s very easy as you get older to start going a bit easy and slowly but surely you lose touch with the up and comers, the fierce young people coming through.

Piper Klemm: And you have like so many people working towards this goal that’s yours, that belongs to everyone working for you and all the sponsors and all the horse owners and like so many people are relying on you, but it almost, I think a lot of elite athletes, you know, almost have this like it’s a push and pull of their like career and their normal life. Like there’s almost a, I’ll call it selfishness. It’s probably too strong, but there’s almost this level of like needing everyone, every resource, everything around you, you know, propelling your career, which they’re all relying on Also, I mean, there’s so many interesting dynamics at play.

Boyd Martin: Yeah, I mean, you’ve got to be mentally strong and, you know, it’s very, very hard to, you know, we’ve got two young kids now and, you know, every week I’m at a show and then the weekends I’m not at the show, I’m teaching a clinic to earn money. And, you know, it’s very hard to be a good father or husband or, you know, luckily for me, my wife’s sort of in the same racket with dressage. So she sort of gets it. But it’s, you know, to and like you said before, Piper, there’s just so many headaches and, you know, dealing with horses and sponsors and owners and disappointments and ups and downs and highs and lows to you. You know, if you if you it’s very easy to crack, you know, so you’ve got to try and have a mindset where whatever happens or whatever’s going on in your life that doesn’t, you know, you don’t doesn’t sort of break you mentally. It sounds a bit a little bit over the top. But, you know, like you’ve got to find a way where you can just switch that off at the end of the day and come home and be normal and forget about and deal with the challenges the next day. And if you can’t keep you up at night. So it’s hard, you know, to be very, very good to it. You’ve got this balancing act or this juggling act of trying to be the best you can be, which means paying for lessons and hiring a fitness coach and, you know, doing all this stuff that costs money. And then the other half of the day, you’ve got to pay your mortgage. You’ve got to pay your workers. You’ve got to pay the feed, the hay, the straw. And, you know, like if you go down one path too much, then the other side gets scary. So it’s a real balancing act. It’s a juggling act. And, you know, I think I thrive on that challenge, but it’s wearing, you know, it’s definitely taxing to some people. And I think I’m lucky coming from Australia where it was actually a lot harder, you know, to make a go of it in Australia and coming to America, realizing that it’s actually it could be a lot worse. You could be back in Australia trying to do this, you know. So it depends where you’re looking at it from.

Piper Klemm: You’re listening to The Plaidcast. Stay tuned after a message from our sponsors. So let’s talk about some of the horses that you’ve had over the years and some of the really special ones. Who really stands out right now? Tell us a little bit about how they relate to some of your horses and from the past. I am curious about some of the formatting changes. If you think some of the ones from the past would have been better or how that’s all evolved.

Boyd Martin: At the moment, I’m very, very strong with horses. At the moment, it’s great. I hate to ever single out my favorite. Next year, I think I’ve got a squadron of five-star horses coming through if all goes well. Obviously, Tsetserleg’s most experienced campaigner there. He’s done two Olympics. No. One Olympics and two WEGs. And then his stablemate on cues back in business. She won Maryland five-star last year. And then I got a great young five-star one coming through called Luke 140 and Federman. And another horse called Contessa. So as far as the five-star ones, look strong there if they can all hold together. And then behind that, I’ve got a group of up-and-coming horses that look phenomenal. One called Moikoi.  Another one called Barney Rubble. I think a Salt and Miss Lulu herself. And another one called Katarina. So I’m armed up to the teeth with top horses. So the special ones, you know, funny enough, the special ones for me are the ones that not the most talented and gifted, but they’re just real tryers. And they have hung in there for a long time. And, you know, I’ve taken you around the world and surprised a lot of people. And, you know, back in my Australian days, every horse we had was just a thoroughbred. It was an off-the-track thoroughbred. And I think some of the great horses that got me going, obviously, was my first five-star horse, which is a thoroughbred called Flying Doctor. And then not far behind him was True Blue Toozac and Brady Bunch, two legend thoroughbreds. And then I came to America with Ying Yang Yeo and Neville Bartos, two more Australian thoroughbreds that sort of really got my career going here in America. So I don’t know, the whole thing’s been a big blur. You know, I’ve been sort of competing at the top of the sport for the last 25 years. So there’s been just so many, for me, legendary horses that have, you know, they all had their window of four or five years at the top of the game. And some of them you expected that they were, you always knew they were going to be great. And then other ones just stepped up when everything else fell apart and shone when the chips were down. And, you know, it’s been a wonderful journey.

Piper Klemm: So I’ve walked the Maryland Five Star course last year. I’ve walked a number of Kentucky courses. I’m always wondering, like, what is going through your head Is it just excitement and exhilaration and can’t wait to jump that? Are you ever afraid of some of the jumps? Like, how does a morning of cross country at one of these, you know, especially, I mean, I think they’re all huge, but one of these especially big events, like, how does that play out? Is it just this is all you want to do and you’re excited to show what you’ve got?

Boyd Martin: It’s an interesting dynamic. You know, number one, I never sleep that well at the big shows. Like, you often find myself waking up at four o’clock in the morning, just thinking about how you’re going to ride each jump. And, you know, so it’s, you know, I’ll be the first one to say I’m nervous as hell, you know. And, you know, coming into a five star, it’s very easy to talk a big game. When I say that is, you know, say Kentucky’s in April, you know, in February or March, you’re telling everyone that you’re going to turn up and you’re going to go for the time and you think you can win it. And then you get to the event, you know, your horse loses a shoe and then you’re like, Oh God, I hope that’s not going to bother him. And then it starts raining and you’re watching the first horse go and they get really tired and don’t finish. And then you warm up and the horse doesn’t feel that good. And it’s very easy just to start talking yourself into, I think I’ll just try and get around this weekend, you know. And, you know, one thing I’ve found is to win these things is you have to go for it. You cannot hesitate. You can’t take an option. You can’t go slow and be cautious as you have to throw caution to the wind and put your head down and go for it. So you have to make a decision to yourself or make a deal with yourself before you start or when you’re warming up or when you’re in that start box. Because am I just going to try and survive this or am I going to have a crack at it and go for it? And there’s two massive differences in those two mindsets. And when you’re going back, I honestly, just because I’ve done it so much and I’ve trained the horses to do this job so much is I’m not afraid of any of the jumps. I have no getting hurt or falling off or any of that stuff. This doesn’t worry me or it just it’s because it’s so familiar to me and I know that I’m prepared. That part’s fine. I mean, there is this massive fear of failure, you know, especially when you’re riding for a team of, you know, your whole country, you know, you’ve been selected by the country. Everyone’s watching you. Everyone’s banking on you. And if you screw up, you’re letting everyone down. And that fear of, you know, making a mistake on the course, pulling for one too many strides or losing your position on a jump or, you know, all these things where you screw up and, you know, you only get a window of small window of time where you’ve got to ride really, really well. And that to me, that’s the nerve wracking part is I know I can do it. I know my horse can do it. Can I do it for this next 10 minutes over these next, you know, 40 jumps, you know, and do it at speed and have a healthy horse at the end? So it’s a weird roller coaster of emotions, Piper.

Piper Klemm: So after all that, how do you, you know, it sounds easy to land, you know, at a heap basically Saturday night, how do you kind of pick yourself up for Sunday to be careful and have the show jumping around you want?

Boyd Martin: Yeah, I mean, obviously it depends a lot on your horse. You know, I’m lucky at the moment. I got some really, really good show jumpers. You know, they’re careful, they’re sharp. I’ve got the best trainer in the world in Peter Wild. You know, I’ve got complete faith in the horse, most of them. Now, there’s a couple of duds there that aren’t very good jumpers, and that’s horrible feeling, you know, knowing that not only is my horse not that careful or sharp, that he’s also tired and that they’re making the courses bigger and bigger. You know, that’s a horrible feeling. And again, you’ve got to have belief in your training. When I say belief in your training, you’ve got to have this sort of understanding that you’ve put the work in, you’ve got the horse really fit, you’ve done everything you can to make sure it recovers well with icing and fluids. You’re going to cross every T and dot every I, walk the course 10 times, you’re going to watch the earlier riders jump the course, you’ve got to, you know, have your warm up plan. And then again, you’ve got to get in that ring and for whatever it is, two minutes, you’ve got to ride really, really, really, really well. And then at the end of the day, there’s also got to be, you know, you’ve got to give your best and try as hard as you can. But it is what it is, you know, and you, you, you, as long as I believe that you’ve given everything you can give in the training and the preparation and ride as well as you can, like, you know, whatever happens happens. And, and, and I think that, that mindset has given me longevity because there’s been some events that I’ve won where I shouldn’t have won. And then there’s other events where I should have won it. And it’s been a disaster and it’s a little bit of bad luck or, you know, in the moment it just didn’t come off. And I don’t know, you can’t get too high when things go great. And you also can’t get too low when things go, go bad, you know. And I think having that sort of, you know, level emotion, it gives you longevity.

Piper Klemm: I had wanted to ask about Peter Wilde, who’s a US gold medalist, Olympic show jumper. And as you talked about how eventing has changed, it makes a lot of sense to bring in someone of his caliber to help with show jumping. What are some things that you have learned from him? And I say this also because you’ve always had the secret dressage weapon of your wife. And so what are some things that bringing Peter in help develop with the program and develop with the horses?

Boyd Martin: I mean, number one, it’s hard to get the best, best jumping riders to have the time or energy to help the eventers. You know, if you think of the top, top jumping riders, they’re making millions of dollars jetting around the world, selling their horses for a million bucks, you know, riding in Grand Prix that are $400,000 prize money. You know, like, why would they want to help out an eventer? You know, and number one, I’ve always idolized Peter like I was a fan of him before I even met him, you know, when he was jumping around on Find Sarah and, you know, just when he rode at the WIG when he was in the final three. And, you know, he was I was a, you know, a fan of his for a long time. And then, you know, on top of that, his way of riding or his system of riding is beautifully suited to eventers.  It’s light. It’s free. It’s forward thinking. It’s kind. It’s working with the horse. It sort of relates a bit to the way we ride cross country. So that’s a that’s an A plus, because if you’re, you know, you’re riding in a light seat and forward in the galloping position, cross country and, you know, it doesn’t make any sense that then you ride the horses in a big, strong hand and deep seat position for the jumping. So and then I think we’re lucky that Peter was just slowing down with his riding career. He’d done everything he’d wanted to do in show jumping. And I think part of part of him was a bit bored, too, like, and he he’s been very, very generous. And it’s been a game changer for me of having Peter that’s I don’t know if whoever knows him, he’s he’s full of energy. He’s knowledgeable. He’s passionate. He rides the horses for me as well, which I think is a huge benefit for me of being able to watch someone sit on the horse and get it going well. And I don’t know, he’s all in and he’s a great guy, too. I mean, we’re we’re friends outside of training just because he’s a wonderful guy. And, you know, when he’s coaching and warming me up, he’s I’ve just got complete and utter belief in everything he says. And I think that’s the important thing when you have a coach is that you can’t be second guessing them. I believe that Peter’s knowledge and understanding and show jumping is in a different stratosphere to mine. And he is just absolutely brilliant with with all all types of horses. And he’s committed like he comes to the big shows with us overseas and in America. So we’re very, very blessed to have him. And it’s not just Peter. We’ve got you got to have like this team around you, you know, the best vet you can get, the best horse sure dressage and cross country trainer, the best groom, assistant riders, you know, like you need the whole shebang. And it’s it’s very hard to get all those critical people that you need to be the most ideal. But it’s it’s taken 20 years, but I feel like I’ve got like a wicked like the owners as well, like having good group of supporters there. It’s huge, huge.

Piper Klemm: So what are you looking forward to the next few years?

Boyd Martin: Oh, everything, mate. I mean, like I said, I’m still absolutely in love with the sport. You know, I’ve been this is all I’ve known and all I’ve done since I’ve been 18 years old. And what am I, 43 or something? I mean, it’s I’m definitely not burnt out. You know, I’ve got we bought a farm. So we’ve got years and years of development of the property to still come. And then also got to pay for all that somehow. You know, Olympic wise and WEG wise, I think I’ve always been in there. And I’ve never had like at a championship of the mega, mega horse there yet. You know, if I’ve always had great horses there, but I’ve always been a member of the team, but never had that sort of star horse that could get in there and win a win a medal. And I do think coming up in the next five to ten years, I think I’m in a position where I will have a mega, mega horse to get in there and have a real crack at winning an individual medal. So that would be sweet. I’m enjoying family life too. I’ve got two young boys and a good looking wife, you know. So I’d like to be happy and thankful for.

Piper Klemm: Boyd, thank you so much for joining us on The Plaidcast.

Boyd Martin: No worries. Happy to be here.

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