Plaidcast 341: Bill Schaub & Charlotte Jacobs by Taylor, Harris Insurance Services

Plaidcast Episode 341 Bill Schaub Charlotte Jacobs


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Piper speaks with Bill Schaub about his induction into the National Show Hunter Hall of Fame and his longtime career in the hunter world. We also talk with Charlotte Jacobs about her rise in the Grand Prix ring. Brought to you by Taylor, Harris Insurance Services. Listen in!


  • Host: Piper Klemm of The Plaid Horse Magazine
  • Guest: Bill Schaub is the owner of Over The Hill Farm based in Wellington, Florida and Lexington, Kentucky. Bill is closely associated with some of the top ponies, horses, junior and amateur riders in recent history. Bill has been a professional for almost 30 years and was inducted into the National Show Hunter Hall of Fame in May.
  • Guest: Charlotte Jacobs is a 28 year old professional show jumper that grew up in East Aurora, New York. Charlotte graduated from the University of Miami in 2017. Charlotte now splits her time between East Aurora and Wellington, Florida. Charlotte and her husband Matt both work with her parents at North Star Sport Horses developing young horses and competing at the highest level of the sport.
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Piper Klemm [00:00:55] This is the plaidcast. I’m Piper Klemm, publisher of the Plaid Horse Magazine. And coming up today on episode 341, we talk to Bill Schaub about his induction into the national show on our Hall of Fame and his decades long career. Then we’ll talk with Charlotte Jacobs, up and coming rider on the U.S. team who is showing in her Third Nations Cup in a couple of weeks here. This episode is brought to you by Taylor Harris Insurance Services. 

Piper Klemm [00:02:07] Bill Schaub was inducted into the national show Hunter Hall of Fame this past May. He has been a professional for over 30 years and trained and closely associated with some of the top ponies, horses, juniors and amateur riders. He is the owner of Over the Hill Farm and based in Wellington, Florida, and Lexington, Kentucky. Welcome to the plaidcast, Bill. 

Bill Schaub [00:03:41] Hello, how are you? 

Piper Klemm [00:03:42] Last month you were inducted into the national show our Hall of Fame, which is always a really exciting night because everyone tells stories. And one of the things that I find so sad is that we don’t all kind of hear these stories and hear these stories about these great horses and great horsemen in in culture, at the people outside the dinner. So I always like to chat with. Everyone who’s inducted. Can you tell us a little bit about what that honor means and what it means to be selected by a very small peer group to be inducted into the national show Hunter Hall of Fame? 

Bill Schaub [00:04:22] Well, you know, to be inducted with all your peers and mentors throughout the year and all the people you looked up to is just really quite an honor. And Carlton Brooks had told me, you won’t even realize what you feel when you get there. And it it’s amazing how my all actually gets in it when you’re there and people are talking, everybody that gets up and does their their speech. You get very emotional about it brings up so many feelings about everything you’ve gone through through the years and reliving your past from your beginning. So it’s a great, great feeling. 

Piper Klemm [00:04:57] And the way almost everyone, it seems, started in the sport. I mean, everyone was in a really jovial mood and they’re kind of joking. And there’s a little bit of a teasing vibe, too, about kind of wherever it came from and where they started. And it wasn’t all the shiny horses and the big horse show ends where you are now. 

Bill Schaub [00:05:16] Oh, I know. I had Don Stewart to my induction and I everybody was teasing me. Were you asking for an induction or a roast? And I said, Well, I’ve known Don for over 45 years. And I explained to him, I remember I speak after you and I know just too much about you as you do about me. 

Piper Klemm [00:05:36] So talk to us a little bit about your your career and how you got started and what you know, how you got started, horse showing how you decided to do this as a career and. You know what it was like to to come up through those years and how things are different now? 

Bill Schaub [00:05:53] Well, you know, when I started, I was a young boy that wanted to go to horse shows and my family couldn’t afford it. So I started giving beginner riding lessons at the age of like 15 to able to make the money to go to the horse shows. And I remember there was this gentleman that lived about two miles from us, and I would ride my bike every Saturday morning down to his farm and borrow this little medium pony, and I’d ride it back bareback down the side of the road to my little. We had a small little farm and I’d give him $5 on lessons all day Saturday and Sunday on this poor little pony. All it did was trot and for $5 ride lessons. And every Sunday evening I would ride it back and ride my bike back home. And that’s what I’d do every weekend to save up the money to go to a horse show. 

Piper Klemm [00:06:41] What were horse shows like back then? 

Bill Schaub [00:06:43] Well, It was much smaller, you know, even our bigger horses, it was like two rings. And, you know, everybody could sit together and watch and you have a lot of time to see each other and talk about things and watch all the horses go. I mean, now, you know, you just run, run, run from ring the ring to ring. And it’s it’s just amazing how much it’s changed and how much it’s grown. I mean, the sport has just boomed even more so just in the past ten years. 

Piper Klemm [00:07:17] It’s a lot of trainers talk about this kind of importance that we all seem to have right now where every single thing, every single class, everything is important to win. And there’s not like a lot of training time. Know, how did that differ from from the past that I almost feel like it must have felt more important if there was only one rank and other people were watching. I mean, we don’t honestly get that many horse shows or many classes nowadays. 

Bill Schaub [00:07:44] Well, we didn’t show so much. So we worked at home. We worked up to get to the show. And, you know, most of our clients were very local. Now we travel so much that you’re go to mostly go to horse shows that your clients can be from just about anywhere and meet you at the horse shows. I mean, we most of us spend the winter in Florida, so people travel there and then throughout the summer you’re going to travel anyways. You know you don’t because I’m from Florida, so you really don’t want to sit in Florida during the summer unless you have to. So you don’t get as much. You have to learn how to train at the horse show and still preserve your horse. That’s what I struggle with this. How many classes can you allow a horse to do? How many lessons can you have? You know, we used to do our long lessons, and I mean, you just can’t even do that nowadays. And then plan for your horse. Take hour long lessons, then be able to show it. Just you’re not going to keep your horses sound and insane, as far as I’m concerned. 

Piper Klemm [00:08:48] Yeah, that does lead an interesting like kind of question, like for the people whose businesses are about really learning and taking lessons, when and how do you even accomplish that? 

Bill Schaub [00:09:00] I think the hardest part also is, you know, we don’t have the riding school between the liability insurance and the expensive land and finding the horses and all that. We don’t have those beginner programs where kids start out and the focus is all about winning their days, not not learning. And we all get caught in that trap because we work so hard. I wish we could focus more on the process and then the winning comes. But everybody kind of want everybody to reach their success by how many blue ribbons they got, and that’s not always the case. 

Piper Klemm [00:09:36] I brought this up on the podcast before, but in Sweden, of a population of 9 million, they have 900 riding schools and 450 of those riding academy schools have less than horses available. And like I think about, you know, our population. I don’t even I bet we wouldn’t even have that. And our whole country of, you know, over 300 million. 

Bill Schaub [00:10:04] No, I wouldn’t think so. I wouldn’t think so. I just think it’s so cost prohibitive nowadays. So that makes it very hard. And we’re we’re always, you know, I call it tricking up, getting the horses ready, you know, schooling the horses, getting prepared and putting the kids on. And then you get the kids that are really serious. They learn I mean, they they learn from every experience they do. A lot of kids are more casual nowadays and they ride a horse and, you know, a sport, but more of a casual sport. You know, they do a lot of different things. And to be really successful, I think you really have to devote your life to this and really devote your time to riding, because the amount of hours you spend in the saddle is what makes you a good rider. 

Piper Klemm [00:10:50] Yeah, it’s we’ve almost like we know what the answer is. It’s a saddle time. But actually doing it in today’s world when there’s so many other pressures and so many other pieces to this and, and, and so many other things pulling at your time I think people. I think there’s this shift of like optimism to where, like people thought they could make it if they put the time in. And I feel like a lot of the people I talk to are really pessimistic and kind of this like, don’t bother attitude. 

Bill Schaub [00:11:21] Well, I fortunately, I’m not exposed to that too much in what I do, but I can see where that could happen to people. The cost of things is getting so prohibitive as well, you know, And I think that, you know, between the costs and the time, you have to devote it to it. And where are you going to spend that time? I mean, that time was spent for children at the small local barns, I mean, we used to a few years ago when I had a low riding program going with my former wife, she would stay home and she had the riding program and the kids would come out in their they’d spend all day and they’d learn to groom their horses and they’d learn to do all these things, and they’d just have horse time, not always riding, but just being around them. And it’s very prohibitive nowadays. I mean, it’s even hard to manage something like that. 

Piper Klemm [00:12:12] Yeah. And you know, all that liability and, and parents wanting, you know, someone to be responsible all the time. And we’re in this, like, really interesting, interesting place here. And I’m not sure how we kind of get to the other side of it to allow kids to be kids. I mean, I think as adults, we need to get them to the barn and then treat them all the same once here at the barn. But that doesn’t seem to happen anymore either. 

Bill Schaub [00:12:39] Well, I think that’s probably in every aspect of life nowadays. I mean, there just you know, when I was a child, I mean, you left in the morning and you came back by dark and your parents never thought and worried about you. And the world is a different place. I think that, you know, that’s pretty hard to do to just let your children take off and not know where they are. And everything is so quickly available with cell phones and all that. There’s a good part about it, but there’s also the fact that there’s never that downtime, because I know when I’m trying to have some downtime, my taxes are always banging and phone calls and it’s just constant instant gratification. We kind of live in a world of that. 

Piper Klemm [00:13:26] Yeah, I tell people that I used to go as a teenager to horse shows with other people without a cellphone. Just leave my parents for like a week. It’s so crazy to think about. And that wasn’t that long ago. 

Bill Schaub [00:13:39] Well, I used to come home after a long day with my list of people. I had to call and I’d be in the hotel and I’d dial in the numbers. And I always had a code that you put in and all that. And now it’s just throughout the day. You take care of that and you think it makes it easier, but it’s just it’s constant. There’s never downtime. 

Piper Klemm [00:14:01] So what would you say to young people that are that are dealing with the constant thinking, you know, or are struggling to focus all day? Because I think it takes away from your focus. It takes away from the horses, like how if you had someone trying to become a professional or become a top professional getting started, like what? What advice would you would you give them? 

Bill Schaub [00:14:23] Well, I think throughout the day you’ve got to stay off of social media as much as possible, because all of us it’s it’s designed to kind of trap us. And I have to even watch myself the minute you click on, you see Instagram posts or something, and you want to congratulate people and you want to do that, and next thing you know, you’re flipping through your scrolling and then you’re seeing other things that draw your interest. The next thing is taking your eye off what you do, and it’s hard to really concentrate and you need to put that away and devote your time to your horse in your riding and the experience you’re having at the time of the kids. Nowadays, they want to video each other and posted on Instagram. And I mean, it’s a really hard. How do you stop that? I mean, they’ve got their phones right on them and it makes it very difficult to keep their concentration. 

Piper Klemm [00:15:20] And it’s such a hard thing like everything else, because it’s not an all or nothing proposition. I mean, video is such a useful tool and learning to ride better and studying your, you know, your game footage like any other sport. And then on the flip side is how do you know when you’re becoming unproductive? And it’s not. There is value to social media and staying connected with people and how do you keep yourself within boundaries that you create? 

Bill Schaub [00:15:51] Well, I’m always I’m doing the same thing throughout the day. I’m video on little clips and sending them to them. And Steven, my partner, Steven Gregorio, partner in business, you know, he’ll even send little videos to the kids or out of the rounds and do a little commentary. What’s there to look for? So it’s a real double edged sword. I mean, if you can’t live with it, you can’t live without it. It’s really tricky. 

Piper Klemm [00:16:22] And yet, like, all of this stuff has changed so much and the horses haven’t really changed. Training horses still takes forever a lot of expertise. So a lot of knowledge, a lot of daily discipline. I mean, I think for all everything else and the horse show world and all of this has changed, I think training horses is, I’m guessing. Relatively similar to what it was 20 or 30 years ago. 

Bill Schaub [00:16:48] It very much is. I mean, training a horse is turning a horse, but in training a horse, you really have to get to know the personality of the horse and the habits of the horse and study that and spend time with them. And all of our businesses are a little bigger now. And so it it really takes a lot more time in your day to really get, you know, notice their habits, notice how they’re eating, notice what they’re doing in their stalls, noticing their behavior, notice how they are with their grooms and their riders outside of the riding lesson and with the bigger business and moving so fast, you can’t lose sight of that. You really the individual horse. The horse has to be treated as an individual. 

Piper Klemm [00:17:32] The the growing of the business size is so interesting, too, because, you know, I think exactly what you said. You know, it used to be fewer people were completing all of the daily tasks on the horse. And now with this, I’ll say corporate structure, most large barns follow. It’s their is home staff, their show staff. There’s, you know, different people kind of attending to different aspects. And that becomes a huge people management issue to keep your eyes on the horses and and their holistic picture. 

Bill Schaub [00:18:05] Oh, absolutely. You it requires it’s so labor intense. I think that’s what’s gotten so difficult. It’s so labor intense. And that’s the horse show syndrome. Depending where you’re stabling, how far your lunging area or what is from your barn, you know, so you can watch the grooms lunge them and or you lend them yourself. We do a lot of the lunging at ourselves, Stephen and myself, I’ll get out there in the morning and we do a lot of lunging and we try to watch the grooms lunge. I’m not a big lunger. I like a little bit of lunging. And then we ride most of our horses in the morning. So then you’re adding riders. In days gone by, all the riders used to come out in the morning and ride their own horses and get in and prepare their horses the ring and live with the consequences. Nowadays most of the stables are preparing the horses for the riders in whatever way that particular horse and rider need and getting them in the rings in the morning and a light lunge. Let them buck, let them play. Depending on the particular horse, getting them used to the ring. A lot of schedule changes to prepare for a ring and then at 630 or seven at night, you realize your class has been moved to another ring. So then maybe the horse hasn’t even been in. So then you feel a need in the morning to prepare your horse and take care of your rider and protect them to make sure they get in the ring. So you just keep adding more and more staff. 

Piper Klemm [00:19:43] But then it becomes like a short term, like long term thing, like by helping, I’ll say, helping your kid. When? Today. By having the staff member do it. The the writer doesn’t learn how to do it or get that extra saddle time and, you know, becomes like, further. I mean, I’ll basically say helpless, like preparing their horse for next time. 

Bill Schaub [00:20:10] Well, that’s what I like about the Junior Hunter Finals, though, is they have to prepare their own horse and they they have to get out there in the morning and you go 12 hours out. The professional can’t ride the horse, so they have to prepare their own horses in the morning. And I always find the kids become real enlightened and actually become better riders from that. I mean, we do have some riders that come out and prepare their own horses. Most of them are adults. The problem with the kids is a lot of times the parents have other children. You know, getting them there at 430 or five in the morning becomes quite difficult. It all boils down to the time and the management. 

Piper Klemm [00:20:52] Are there other horse shows that we could, you know, that you think would be improved by having that that rule put in place? 

Bill Schaub [00:21:00] Well, I think that would be a really hard thing to monitor. I think that it gives them a good taste there at ten year finals and it opens up their eyes. And I find that the kids or young riders that really want to learn will make it happen. You know, they get out there and they get it done. Sometimes these horses, you know, you have to actually protect the riders from what they do in the morning. You know, you want to know what your horses do, but sometimes too much knowledge can affect the way your confidence level. So you really got to balance that off of when the riders get to the point where they can handle that, you know, where they can understand that this is the way the horses at this moment, that that preparation will prepare it for later in the day. 

Piper Klemm [00:21:54] It’s again, but it’s another layer of management for trainer managing their students. And when are they learning and when are they growing and when when do we challenge them at this and that and when are they ready to handle this? I think a lot of people don’t understand is the quantity of decisions that trainers are making in a day, even over stuff like this. 

Bill Schaub [00:22:15] Oh, and we’re dealing with the animals. We’re dealing with the animals. That’s the whole thing we’re doing with weather. We’re dealing with flooding, we’re dealing with judges. We’re dealing with so many different factors that all that plays into it. 

Piper Klemm [00:22:32] Raising your kids in the sport and being a trainer. Like kind of as you look back on it now, I know you have grandchildren now. What kind of do you think were the really positive parts of that? I know so many people really feel that community since raising their kids in in the sport. 

Bill Schaub [00:22:50] Well, I think still, I mean, this it’s a great sport to teach responsibility. I mean, to accept challenges to real like you’re always not going to win. And the ups and downs of dealing with an animal and dealing with different conditions. I think it teaches you everything in life that they take with them for the rest of their life. I think that’s why a lot of parents will invest so much. In this. I don’t think it’s all just about riding, I think it’s about developing young people to become adults. And everything you take away from this goes with you the rest of your life. And life just isn’t fair sometimes, and you just have to accept that and you have to figure out a way to accomplish your goals in a way that is still respectable and worthy of what you’re doing. I don’t think the short cuts really work in the end. I think the short cuts catch up with you. 

Piper Klemm [00:24:02] Bill, thank you so much for joining us on the plaidcast. 

Bill Schaub [00:24:04] Oh, I appreciate it. I really enjoyed it. Thank you very much. 

Piper Klemm [00:26:16] Charlotte Jacobs is a 28 year old professional show jumper who grew up in East Aurora, New York. Charlotte graduated from the University of Miami in 2017 and now splits her time between East Aurora and Wellington, Florida. Charlotte and her husband Matt both work with her parents at North Stars sport horses, developing young horses and competing at the highest level of the sport. Welcome to the plaidcast, Charlotte. 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:26:37] Hi, thank you. 

Piper Klemm [00:26:39] So you recently have represented Team United States on several Nations Cup teams. We have a lot of listeners of all levels. Can you explain what a Nations cup is? Kind of before I get started? 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:26:50] So a Nations Cup is basically a team of four riders all competing for their country. You get to compete all over North America, Europe, all over the world. And it’s run in a format that three of the scores are added up. And there’s one score that is dropped, and that’s the worst score. The highest score. And then you are ranked with other teams. So other countries and it goes towards, you know, qualifying for the Olympics, the world championships and all of that. So it’s very important for us and it’s important for our country and it’s always great to represent Team USA. 

Piper Klemm [00:27:35] And so nations cups are really a place for as a as a team, we get to give younger riders kind of new experience and people who are just getting started at this level. So can you tell us about who some of your team members have been on your Nations Cup teams? 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:27:52] Yes, I said two different levels of nations cups. So I did three stars last year, which was it was great. It was myself and Julie. Well, two actually trained me a bit when I was riding at North Run, Alex Matz who I’ve known my entire life. Daisy Farish was also on the team with us and we, we went to Madrid and we went to Lisbon and Anne Kursinski was the chef and we had a lot of fun. And it was, it was a great first experience for me. It was all of our first senior nation club, which was which was good, I think, because everybody was a little bit nervous. And we’re all on the same page. This last time in Vancouver, I was on the team with Lacy Gilbertson, who also won the team there, Karl Cook and Kent. So Lacy and I have been friends forever. So it’s fun that we got to do that our first five star together and then can obviously as a rider. But I’ve looked up to for a really long time, it’s so talented and so competitive. And then Karl, who also, you know, we’re a similar age and he’s done a handful of Nations cup now. So good to have two riders that have sort of done it and then two riders that were sort of new to it, which I know a lot of a lot of when Robert puts together a team, he does that. It sort of puts the more, you know, a better two veterans and two younger to younger people for those nations Cup three wants to see see a few new talent and so exciting and it was really fun. 

Piper Klemm [00:29:30] And so that’s Robert Ridland, the chef d’equipe for the United States team who we had on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. And so it’s very exciting to be picked because it’s it’s basically saying that you’re on this list of of elite people and you have, you know, equal. Equal weight representing Team USA with with like ten. Very ten, which is amazing. 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:29:54] Yeah, it’s amazing. Sometimes I’m kind of like, Oh, is this actually happening? This is like, you know, you sort of always wish for it and dream for it and like, work towards it and then it actually happens and you’re like, I’m actually like riding on feelings with the people that I’ve been looking up to my entire life. So it’s cool. 

Piper Klemm [00:30:13] So let’s talk about your kind of pathway in the sport. Tell us what it was like growing up. You alluded to equitation riding. So kind of what was your pathway through your junior career and then making college decisions. 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:30:27] Um, yeah. So I. I rode my entire life. My parents met through horses. My dad rode for the U.S. team. He won the Olympic trials. His parents rode. It was really a family sport for me. So I did ponies. I was sort of always around, you know, Wellington. Then we’d go to a lot of different summer shows and, um, when I was like ten or 11, I had like a serious growth spurt and I was all the sudden having to ride horses. And I started riding with Missy Clark and John Brennan at North Run probably, I think I was like 11 or 12. And I started doing the equitation. I started doing junior jumpers I had a junior hunter. I sort of dabbled in everything when I was a junior and I loved the equitation. I had some great equitation horses. I had a lot of training with Missy, and it really taught me sort of like the fundamental basics of showjumping and what you need to know. And and it was really beneficial to me. And I mean, I did whatever was seven years of it. I won the Ronnie Mutch [Equitation Championship] at Devon twice, which was probably one of the biggest things for my junior career. I had ribboned at finals and I mean, I loved that. I love my horses. I loved training with John and Missy. But when I turned 18, I got a scholarship to go to SMU to be on the riding team. So I went there my freshman year and I really enjoyed it. But I was still I was still a junior, so I was doing equitation finals my fall semester. And I think that gets, you know, it sort of put me off kilter a little bit and I wasn’t actually able to embrace the college life. And so I didn’t love SMU. I didn’t actually end up staying there. I transferred to the University of Miami, where I did my last three years, and I absolutely loved it. You know, I spent more time. I went there because I was going in to ride, and then I actually spent more time at school than I was riding, like I riding for the first time in my life with the second, second most important thing. And, you know, I fell in love with school and I fell in love with my friends. And it was it was really, really fun. And I’m so happy that I had those four years because when I graduated, I was able to come back, come back into the sport as an amateur at birth and, you know, had options. I went and worked in Boston for a little while and got that sort of quote unquote, like real life experience that, you know, not everybody can get. So, yeah, I was I was glad I did it. And obviously I ended up back with the horses, but I gave, you know, gave myself a shot to do other things so that nice. 

Piper Klemm [00:33:33] I. I said it on the podcast, but I. Watching the World Cup this year, it was really fascinating to me how the jumps were much bigger, but it really was asking the same questions as the equitation finals. 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:33:47] Yeah. Yeah. And that’s like I, I remember I was actually jumping a Grand Prix in Florida. That’s the season At the end of the end was I think it was like WEF ten or 11. And Kim Prince was actually commentating with Danny Waldman and I was watching it back and all she was talking about was like, you can see that you that you’ve done equitation and she was talking about me. And it was like, Oh yeah, like once that’s in you, like it’s it’s hard to you know, it’s hard harder to learn it later if you do it when you’re 14, 15, six and 17, whatever, even if you’re not winning a final, even if you’re not doing it to be super competitive. Just the lessons at home and learning and the repetitive like, you know, even if it’s pull up on the ground or it’s like trying for like just do the little basic things of exploitation day by day by day. And you know, it it changes your whole riding and it makes it makes things much easier when you’re in the ring. 

Piper Klemm [00:34:50] So what are some what are some like kind of things you maybe learn in the equitation or flat work, things that you find yourself doing? Almost every rider with a lot of different horses. 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:35:00] A lot of things that I work on like before, say, the morning of a show. We do a lot of footwork and like you’ve got a four poles on the ground, say, and it doesn’t even matter where they are as long as they’re in a line and say, you do three sides to five drives, three strides, and then you come back and you do, you know, two strides to seven strides to another, two strides, and you start adjusting your horse up and down and like pushing their gear. It’s two points. Or maybe you don’t have to push them that hard in the ring. But if you do push them just a little bit, merengue to move up, up into a line and then back to a shorter line, because that’s a lot of what you see in courses lining these days. And then when you do that before the course, you go to the ring and you you have a line that’s maybe not quite as long or not quite as short, but you’ve done, you know, extra short, two extra long or extra long, extra short, and then you’re able to do it so much easier in the ring. 

Piper Klemm [00:36:03] So you’re really making sure you have that rideability. Like. 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:36:06] Yeah, that that’s the main thing and and the rideability. Obviously, it’s what’s most important when you’re jumping the bigger classes, especially for the time allowed, not, you know, clearing the drums is important, but then you, you want to be under the time allowed. And so if you have the right ability, you can ride the line and track like through the corners and it makes it much easier. You actually don’t have to go fast. 

Piper Klemm [00:36:32] Do you think the equitation helped kind of set you up for dealing with the pressure, or how do you personally handle the pressure of being on the Nations Cup team or a really big Grand Prix classes? 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:36:42] Yeah, I when I was younger, I struggled with the pressure a lot, like when I was 14 and 15. And I worked with sports psychologists and it helps me a lot. So I sort of have routines that I use now to deal with pressure and deal with the anxiety before showing and everything. Riding in teams, I find to be even more pressure again, because you’re not just riding for yourself anymore. You’re riding for, for, for other people and their whole team, you know, their grooms, their trainers, their managers, their horses. You want to do well for them. You want to represent yourself while you want to represent your country well and you know how much goes into it for each person because, you know, you put that much in yourself. So, you know, my first my first time, all the nations ever so nervous. But then, you know, you do it once more and then you do it once again and it gets easier and easier and you start performing and having good results. And it’s it’s definitely it’s definitely a lot of pressure, but it’s good pressure and it feels good when you do well. 

Piper Klemm [00:37:59] Let’s talk about the horses you have right now. Who do you have, like young ones you’re really excited about? And tell us about your main string. 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:38:09] Yeah. So I have three horses sort of that. I’m competing at the higher level. My Mare Edocenta  who’s she’s probably my best horse she’s jumped the two five star grand prix now. Good placings and she’s been the horse that I’ve used on all the nations cups. I bought her as an eight year old from Carlos Pinto at Milestone Farm in the Netherlands and she’s like, She’s awesome. She’s sort of everything you would want for like that first big one because horse it’s so scope and she’s honest and she it’s, you know, simple enough to ride and she’s just been such a great partner for me doing all these first things. But she’s my first, you know, first time I did three star, four star, five star Grand Prix, First Nations Cups, first World Cup, like everything has been with her, which is and she’s only 11 now, so it’s nice. She’s really coming into her prime. And then I have a horse named Rincoola Milsean, who he’s ten years old now. I also got him when he was eight from Ireland, from a guy named Jason Higgins and. He is like literally a cartoon character. He. But he’s been such a great horse for me, also so, so competitive. I know I can always count on him and he is fun to ride and he has a lot of personality. So we we love him in the barn. And then I. 

Piper Klemm [00:39:45] What makes him like a cartoon character? 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:39:50] He’s it’s like looks like one first of all he has like a forelock, like down past his eye. He’s a pony. Like he’s only like 15 three and he like when he jumps sometimes, especially when you’re jumping small, he like swings its legs like everywhere like his, his front feet like go out in front of him and then it’s backseat like he just explodes behind. And it’s not even like he’s like just being really careful. He’s just strange. But he’s he took me like a little bit to get you through because in the beginning I remember I first tried him and he did that and I was like, This feels weird. Like, I. I don’t think this is this is how it’s supposed to be, but, um, I’ve, we’ve really sort of gelled now, and I’m kind of like the only one that rides him. And we, we’ve built a really good relationship, so it’s nice. And then the another horse, they just got a horse named Android three K, which came from a Brazilian Rider named Felipe Amaral, and he’s older, he’s 12. So, you know, usually I ride my horse is young, but I sort of needed a another horse to complement the other two to take the pressure off of them a little bit. And he is, you know, he’s done Nation’s top five Star Nations Cups, big Grand Prix is all over the world. And so it’s nice to have a horse that sort of has that experience and has been there, done that a little bit, But I’ve only shown him once now. So he’s he’s actually I’m going to hit set next week and him and at Atlanta are there so they’ll be my, my two horses for that show and then I have a younger sort of crew of two eight year olds. So they’re starting to fit in with the older horses and one of the horse named Extreme. And she I bought her from Greg Broderick and Shane Breen during Florida this year. She’s really special. I think she’s very scopy, very careful, she big mare. So we’re just sort of taking our time with her and jumping from 135 and 40, stepping her back down, back up again and just getting to know each other, really. And then I have another eight year old. His name is Thomascourt BallyPatrick. And he is he’s a horse that I bought when he was six from Greg Broderick as well. And he has been really a great horse. We went to Dublin last year. He would clear all three days in Dublin. He went to Lanigan, was selected. You know, he’s an Irish sport horse. So I sport horse Ireland selects a few Irish sport horses every year to go to Lonergan. So he was selected to go there and was fantastic there. So he’s had a good year. He’s going to jump first off this week, this week in Michigan. So I’m excited about him. And then I have a slew of young horses, which is really fun. I have a great seven year old who won the seven year old final in Florida this year, a really nice six year old that my mom actually bred, that I compete. So he is also awesome. And then we have a lot of other young horses that we have a rider named Aaron Perrin from Ireland. He works for us and he rides all of our young horses and we really work together and my husband manages everything and we have a really great crew and a great team around us, you know, making sure everything goes smoothly all the time. 

Piper Klemm [00:43:34] So yeah, I wanted to ask you about that. What is it like, like kind of sharing this with your family as an adult and, you know, how do you manage all your time to to keep all the responsibilities up and get to all the horse shows and, you know, all work together? 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:43:48] Yeah, I mean, I’m very used to it because I grew up riding around my family with my family. And my dad used to give me lessons when I was younger. And so I am really used to it. Um, my mom is always around. She loved being back in the barn and loves being with the horses. She does a lot of the braiding herself, which is really cool. And so we’ve always been working together. And then my, I just got married like a month ago, but, um, my now husband and I started working together like three, three and a half years ago. And he’s really like, he’s been there, done that. He went to the Olympics, world championships, European championships with other riders. So he’s really, really great at the management side of it all. And so we work together really well because I just get to focus on the riding and he sort of does everything else, which It’s a really nice, um, yeah, I mean, of course, being around your family 24 seven, it’s hard at times, but I’m very grateful that I have that because we get to spend time together and, you know, I’m not always worried, oh, I have to go to my parents or do this or to go out. I’m with them all the time, so it’s really nice. 

Piper Klemm [00:45:10] Charlotte Charlotte, thank you so much for joining us on the plaidcast. 

Charlotte Jacobs [00:45:14] Of course. Thank you. 

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