Plaidcast 323: Philip Richter & Jay Golding by Taylor, Harris Insurance Services

Plaidcast Episode 323 Philip Richter Jay Golding


To listen to the Plaidcast, you can use the player below, Stitcher, Spotify, iTunes, Google Play Music, or your other favorite podcasting app!

This image has an empty alt attribute; its file name is THIS-Logo-300x153.jpg

Piper speaks with Philip Richter about the Lake Placid Horse Show and Jay Golding about his bone health and soft tissue vitamin supplement, BoneKare. Brought to you by Taylor, Harris Insurance Services. Listen in!


  • Host: Piper Klemm, Publisher of The Plaid Horse
  • Guest: Philip Richter grew up with horses and has been actively competing on the “A” show circuit his entire life. The son of highly respected trainer, Judy Richter, Philip began riding in the short stirrup at age six and later competed in the pony hunter divisions, equitation, junior hunters, junior jumpers and remains an active competitor in the amateur jumper divisions. Philip sits on the board of the United States Equestrian Team Foundation, the United States Equestrian Federation, the Revs Institute, and the Pray Family Foundation. Philip is also Chairman of the Lake Placid Horse Show and serves as Co-Treasurer of the Hampton Classic Horse Show. Outside of the horse world, Philip is also the President of Hollow Brook Wealth Management, LLC, a full service, SEC registered, wealth management firm. Philip is a graduate of Boston College and holds an MBA from New York University’s Stern School of Business.
  • Guest: Jay Golding is the President and Founder of BoneKare USA. Jay started working with horses at a young age and later operated a large breeding farm and ran a large hunter and jumper barn. Jay rode with trainers such as Olympic dressage rider Edith Master, Sonny Brooks, and Rodney Jenkins. During one trip to Europe to find the next great horse, Jay was introduced to BoneKare which was popular with breeders and equestrians in Europe and was asked to bring it to the United States.
  • Title Sponsor: Taylor, Harris Insurance Services (THIS) was founded in 1987 to provide specialized insurance for all types of equine risk. THIS places their policies with the highest rated and most secure carriers, meticulously selected for reliability and prompt claims settlement. THIS is proud of their worldwide reputation for responsive and courteous service, and welcomes the opportunity to discuss your equine insurance needs and provide you with a quote.
  • Photo Credit: The Book LLC
  • Subscribe To: The Plaid Horse Magazine
  • Sponsors: Purina Animal Nutrition, America CryoSaddlery Brands International, BoneKare, Alexis Kletjian Jewelry, Show Strides Book Series, Online Equestrian College CoursesWith Purpose: The Balmoral Standard, and American Equestrian School

This transcript was generated automatically. Its accuracy may vary.

Piper Klemm [00:00:32] This is the plaidcast. I’m Piper Klemm, publisher of the Plaid Horse Magazine. And coming up on episode 323, I talk to Philip Richter about the Lake Placid Horse Show, and Jay Golding, president and founder of Bone Kare USA, about bone health and soft tissue vitamin supplements. This episode is brought to you by Taylor Harris Insurance Services. 

Piper Klemm [00:02:55] Philip Richter grew up with horses and has been actively competing on the A show circuit his entire life. The son of highly respected trainer Judy Richter, Philip began riding in the short strip at age six and later competed in the pony hunter divisions, equitation, Junior Hunters, Junior Jumpers, and to this day remains an active competitor in the amateur jumper divisions. Philip sits on the board of the United States Equestrian Team Foundation, the United States Equestrian Foundation, the Revs Institute and the Pray Family Foundation. Philip is also chairman of the Lake Placid Horse Shows and serves as co-treasurer of the Hampton Classic Horse Show. Outside the horse world, Philip is the president of Hollow Brook Wealth Management LLC, a full service SEC registered wealth management firm. Philip is a graduate of Boston College and holds an MBA from New York University’s Stern School of Business. Welcome to the plaidcast, Philip. 

Philip Richter [00:03:48] Thank you, Piper. Glad to be here. 

Piper Klemm [00:03:50] We talk with a lot of people about their childhood and how they grew up with the horses, because I think that’s one of the most unique things about our sport is what a lifelong sport it is. We are so sorry to hear of the loss of your mother this past fall. Can you tell us a little bit what it was like growing up with your mother, iconic trainer Judy Richter? 

Philip Richter [00:04:12] Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, I miss her every day. I kind of thought she was going out with me, but she. She put up a good fight, and I think she had a you know, she had a really good couple last years and a lot of fun on her farm in Bedford. But it was it was great growing up with with Judy. She you know, she she never trained me in riding. She always had a trainer teach me. So I always rode with Norman Dello Joio or Michael Matz or other people other than her. And I think she always felt that that arm’s length distance between mother and son was a good thing. And I think she was right. I mean, you know, we’d work the horses together at home and we did a lot of things together. In fact, last September, I showed at Old Salem and I made her come, walk the course and set jumps for me. And we had a lot of fun. And I’m really glad we had that. You know, that last show together, which was really fun. But, you know, the great thing about my mom was she could operate at the pony club level or she could operate at the Olympic level. And she bounced around back and forth all the time. And she you know, she picked Peter Lutz out of a pony club rally that was at our farm. He was, you know, I don’t know, 13 years old or something, maybe younger. And she identified him as a talent. And so she she loved judging. She loved buying and selling horses. She loved just riding around the farm, doing nothing with our horse, just sort of walking through the woods. And and she loved winning, you know, at Devon or Grand Prix with with Johnny’s Pocket and Norma Dello Joio or the World Cup. She, she and Andre took it to the World Cup and she, you know, so she was really amazing person and she was very inclusive and she always wanted to help those riders who had passion and talent, but no money. And her and her sister Carol were renowned for doing that. And I think they made the sport a much better place, albeit today. It’s it’s all so different. And it’s it’s so it’s so, so tough and always, always tough. But today it’s just just really tough. But I think she she made a dent in that. And she she helped a lot of young riders build a name for themselves, build careers and build successful businesses that then in turn help other young riders be successful. So it was a wonderful, positive flywheel. Her whole life is a positive flywheel of equestrian activity. And, you know, she served on lots of boards. She was on the USET Advisory Board and she was for years on to chairman of the AHSA, which is now the USEF and very involved writing, at The Chronicle she wrote a column for years and years and years that was pretty widely read and pretty influence influential. So there’s a lot of fun, a lot of a lot of good memories. 

Piper Klemm [00:07:09] It sounds so community based, which is something that I think our sport does so well. But I think we’re also kind of kind of missing in today’s world because we’ve a little bit made this like national community where we see each other at big events. But I think a lot of us have lost lost our connection with our with our local communities. And it sounds like a way that she never did. 

Philip Richter [00:07:35] Yeah, I think that’s very true. I mean, she she loved the Bedford area. She’d, she’d ride with the Golden’s Bridge fox hounds, and she’d do local stuff with the Bedford Riding Lanes Association. And then she would, you know, take a horse to the World Cup in Sweden. You know, she was just amazing that way. And I think that’s I think it’s really great to be grounded that way. And everybody who’s involved with the horse at whatever level is important. And it’s it’s all about having fun and enjoying these these magnificent animals. 

Piper Klemm [00:08:10] So you grew up in, you know, in this idyllic setting. It seems like kind of getting to do a little bit of everything. Staying grounded, doing a lot of hard work. Where did your. Career go? Where did you want your career go? Like, where did you see yourself fitting into to this world? 

Philip Richter [00:08:30] Yeah. I mean, I always I always enjoyed financial markets and investing even as a young person. I mean, when I was 15, I basically forced my parents to buy land in Wellington because I thought it was a very exciting place and it was growing. And and they did and they bought they bought, I think, 12 acres in Palm Beach Point, which they handily sold a few years later at a very handsome profit. But today it’s an untouchable piece of property. But I always liked financial markets, I loved horses, I loved riding ponies, but I had a lot of other interests. I had a pretty normal school life. I enjoyed my friends at school and in high school. I loved machines and motorcycles and cars and and I really loved financial markets. So I made a decision pretty early on that I was was not going to do horses as a career, but that I would never let horses get out of my life. So I always had, you know, 2 to 3 show horses competing at various levels in the amateur division. And I really enjoyed that because it’s afforded me to to build my my firm Hollow Brook wealth management from basically nothing into a $1,000,000,000 plus wealth management platform we have 13 employees. We have a really interesting client base. We invest across a myriad of asset categories. And I think we’ve done a lot of great work for people who otherwise would have been lost at a larger firm or taken advantage of and not given that true fiduciary handed hand and foot high touch experience. And so it’s very rewarding to be able to have a career where you’re actually really helping people in the financial world. There’s a there’s a real you know, there’s a real perception of Wall Street as being cut throat and, you know, people being advantage and disadvantage and insider information, all these things. But wealth management is a lot different because what you’re doing is you’re impacting people’s lives positively so they can go out and live their life and not worry about, you know, that their investments are taken care of and that they’re, you know, being thoughtful about estate planning and their accounting and generational planning for their children and all these things that we do for them. And so to be able to have a career in that build a business with a longtime friend of mine that I met through the horse’s Alan Bazaar back when we were 15 to today, where I’m still showing and competing in the amateur jumpers I showed last weekend on Sunday in the in the international ring down here in Wellington and just had a great time. And so I’ve been I’ve been lucky to be able to balance my work life and my horses. I’ve also become very active in the electric car world. I, I collect pre-war motorcycles and automobiles and some modern German classics, and I write for a pretty widely read magazine called Sports Car Market, various articles that they ask me to write about auction results and things. So I’ve got a really full life that way and I enjoy it. But I’m not I do not regret not going into the horses full time. I don’t think I was ever a good enough rider to really compete at the top, top level of our sport. I’ve been modestly successful in the amateur jumpers, mostly because my mother mounted me on really good horses all the time, and we’ve always had a good pipeline to finding, you know, meter 60 horses that were on their way down that if I showed them a couple of times a year, they’re very, very able to handle that if they have soundness issues or other problems. So it’s been great. A lot of fun. 

Piper Klemm [00:12:26] These all seem like, you know, community and long term things which which really echoes, you know, something I’ve been thinking a lot about in our industry is like, I feel like somehow, like in general, like the word business somehow started to equate with like, short term business. And and I think about our sport very long range. And when you think about communities and, and building and and you were saying wealth management with with generational planning it’s a completely different mindset. And to me it’s a more healthy mindset. 

Philip Richter [00:12:59] I totally agree. And I you know, one of the things I’ve tried to do for the equestrian sport is, you know, look, there are a lot of smart people hanging around the the jumper rings or the hunter rings here in Florida or anywhere. There’s an unbelievable I mean, you can you can walk into Wellington at any given time and see people like Bill Gates wandering around the horse show. And then there’s a ton of other people who’ve been successful in business and things. But I kind of felt like it was very important to also give back to the to the community of of equestrian sports. So I’ve made a pretty concerted effort over the last decade to get involved in governance and helping the various organizations that exist to support our athletes getting on the podium, the USET Foundation or the actual creation and enforcement of the rules that are that are done at the USEF the U.S. Equestrian Federation in Lexington. And so I’m on the board of the USEF and the treasurer of the USET foundation and on the executive committee. And it’s been very rewarding to be able to give back to the sport and help good decisions be made, or at least not bad decisions being made regarding the welfare of the horse and the rules within our sport and the funding that’s critical to get our teams across the pond to Europe to be competitive and young rider development pipelines and all these things that are really important. To your point about the generational aspect of our sport, we have a lot of great riders right now, but many of them are aging out and we need to make sure we have a pipeline of really, really talented prospects that are getting our support, that are getting a field of play that’s fair and that are getting the proper funding and backing to get them to Europe, to get them on teams representing the United States and to get them on the podium at the Olympics. So I really enjoy doing that. I’ve been on those boards for quite some time and I’ve also gotten involved with with horse shows that are here in the United States, I’m the co-treasurer of the Hampton Classic and on the board of the Hampton Classic, and I’m the chairman of the Lake Placid Show, which has been a lot of fun. And both those events are very close to my heart and go back to being seven, eight, nine years old, showing ponies at both of those events. So you’re right that long term generational, this is part of the fabric that I feel is very important, whether it’s at Hollow Brook, managing wealth for our clients or in the equestrian world, thinking about the next generation of our sport. 

Piper Klemm [00:15:47] So let’s talk a little bit about Lake Placid. I mean, I don’t think there’s a more beautiful showgrounds pretty much anywhere. 

Philip Richter [00:15:54] And yeah, I mean maybe Spruce Meadows, but yeah, you know, but yeah, absolutely fair. 

Piper Klemm [00:16:00] But the last time I went to Spruce Meadows, it snowed in July so. 

Philip Richter [00:16:06] Oh great. Well, we’ve had that happen in Lake Placid too. It was flurries. Yeah. 

Piper Klemm [00:16:12] I think Lake Placid at some level started this kind of showcation type thing where a lot of equestrian families who didn’t take a break, that would be kind of their one time of year that they would do the horses. But the rings ended early enough and that they could go out and go out on the lake and and really have a little bit more going on in their lives than than just the horses. 

Philip Richter [00:16:38] Yeah. I mean, Lake Placid has always been a place to get away from the cookie cutter dusty horse show. If, if, if you your family goes up there and, you know, maybe there’s a daughter that’s showing a son that likes hockey or lacrosse, you know, Lake Placid has so much going on. I mean, between the hiking, the fishing, the water, sports on the lake, I mean, water skiing and snowboarding or boarding, you know, wakeboarding and all of that. And then the town is great, the restaurants are great. And there’s always hockey camps going on and lacrosse camps going on in town. It’s just a phenomenal place. And and it’s a great venue for a horse show. It’s not that far away relative to where you know how people flimflam their horses around the globe. Lake Placid is actually pretty easy to get to because the infrastructure is good and the roads are good up up to the mountain. So, you know, I’ve been showing there since I was six years old. My earliest memories are going there. We went to the Olympics in 1980. My mom’s client was head of the Olympic Planning Committee that year and got us tickets. And, you know, being at the horse show grounds for the opening ceremonies was really cool. And I was ten years old, so I was old enough to really remember it. And by the luck of the draw. We got tickets to the the fateful Miracle on Ice game, where the Russians were defeated by, you know, basically a college team that had a lot more grit and determination than they had talent. And I remember watching the game there with my family. It was quite something. So Lake Placid has a lot of great memories for me, and we’re really working hard to improve the show. It’s a it’s a very uphill battle today as an independent horse show that’s a not for profit. You’ve got the the development of the series shows, whether it’s it’s WEF down here or WEC in Ocala or the HITS series. I mean, all of these shows, they can be losing money at one venue and making money in another. They’re in the business of running shows where we are running a boutique, like you said, a showcation for fun. So one bad year, bad weather or late entries or high expenses, whatever you want to call it, is is really threatening to a show like Lake Placid or even the Hampton Classic to a degree. So we’re working really hard to try to make good decisions for the future of the show. And I think we’re going to I think we’re going have a really good year this year. The footing in the grass field is the last year was the best it’s ever been. And we’ve upgraded all the other footings in the rings to to very high quality, all weather. So we’re hopeful for a great event this year. 

Piper Klemm [00:19:34] Yeah. And I mean, I don’t think there’s really a bigger grass field almost anywhere that you can ride those classes on. I mean, for the people who haven’t been there, the grass field is this expanse that just goes on and on and on. 

Philip Richter [00:19:51] It looks like a carpet. Now, the way we’ve been maintaining it, I mean, last year it held up the best it’s ever held up, and it’s because the root system has really taken hold and we manage it very carefully. On the off off season, we have a we’re very lucky. There’s there’s golf courses up in Lake Placid and very good turf. And field experts there have been helping us for decades to get the field better. But, you know, it’s interesting, as someone who is involved with kind of the pipeline in our sport, it’s disappointing to see that there’s less and less grass turf fields available in the United States for our young riders to compete on, because when they get on a plane and fly to Europe, many, many, many of those venues, starting with and all the way down, are not on all weather, they’re on grass. And when it rains, grass is slippery. I don’t I don’t care whether it’s engineered like Spruce Meadows, rain accumulates, mud starts and it’s difficult. It’s a different environment than riding on all weather. And I think it’s I think Lake Placid, if we if we can keep the grass fields without increasing pressure to convert it to all weather, I think it’s an amazing venue for young riders to really get ready for going abroad to to Europe, where, you know, at least half of the major shows over there are still grass. 

Piper Klemm [00:21:14] Is Hampton Classic, not on the grass anymore as of last year?

Philip Richter [00:21:17] We we converted to all weather there last year. Yeah well we it’s complicated We we converted we redid the ring in all and grass and did a very, very big renovation to the field and it, it rode great the first year we showed on it and then there was an off year because of COVID and the roots just didn’t, they didn’t grow deep the way they should have, and we ended up having a problem with the footing. So the board made the decision to move to all weather. I mean, if you think about it an all weather ring, you know, alleviates the weather risk, but it also from a revenue standpoint, it allows you to run a lot more classes on that big, big ring in the Grand Prix ring. And it allows you to have more throughput and more people riding on that. So, you know, from a from a maintenance perspective too, it’s very hard to manage a grass spring off season. And so the Hampton Classic, you know, it’s it’s a one weeklong show and the rest of the time the grass is just sitting there and we have to maintain it. So very hard to maintain properly. Very, very tough because you can’t have the throughput on it. You want to really save it for Sunday. And then, of course, the the weather factor. And so we’re under pretty significant pressure at Lake Placid to follow suit in what old Salem did with their field in North Salem, New York, converting it to all weather and what the Hampton Classic did, converting to all weather. And you know the jury’s still out on that. The grass makes Lake Placid special. It’s very uneven is a very tough ring to ride in the the ups and downs. And of course designers who are very clever use those undulations in the field to make it tricky where, you know, you’ve got big wide oxers up the hills and tall, tall, flimsy verticals down the hills and things of that sort. But I love it because I grew up showing on it. I think that’s part of the challenge. If you can ride the Grand Prix at Lake Placid and go clear in a meter, 40 or 50 classes, you can do it anywhere. 

Piper Klemm [00:23:28] I think the Hampton Classic is interesting because it’s one of these horse shows that really drives people to start riding. It drives people to have a goal. Again, back to community, it’s really something that inspires local community members to want to step up their game. And I would put it in a class like Devon with that and also a lot of other local horse shows that that have a large crowd. I actually would put like Germantown Charity in that Minnesota harvest in that, you know, these horse shows that the local audiences come every year they’re obsessed with. Everyone’s very excited about it. And I think they drive people to take their first riding lesson and to aspire to something. That is what I’m really when I think about the future of the sport, like very concerned about as we move in the big bucks horse show direction because I don’t think they drive community and drive people to step up in quite the same way. 

Philip Richter [00:24:29] I would totally agree, Piper, but with maybe a caveat, because I do think they provide a valuable service to the business and the industry. But I think it’s really important that exhibitors and the federation support and help these smaller shows that are definitely struggling. I mean, let’s face it, it’s hard to compete with hundreds of millions of dollars of investment that went into whack in Ocala. And we had people who have been coming to Lake Placid for decades stay in Florida and show in Ocala in July. Right. So these are it’s very hard to fight these things when you’re a not for profit with a very thin balance sheet and not a lot of resources, particularly when, you know, exhibitors are demanding more and more services, better and better footing. Last year at Lake Placid, we spent a fortune upgrading the electrical system. So all the tents have full power. People are running laser machines and refrigerators and special boots and iPhones and all these things and you have to stay competitive. So I think it’s if there’s a message I could send to everybody out there is I really hope people this year think about supporting these these wonderful shows that are venerable, that have been around for decades and that have management teams that are really making a big effort to serve the customer well. And the only way we’ll be able to continue to do that is if we get people to show up and support the shows. And and I think that goes for whether it’s, you know, Devon or Upper Ville or the Hampton Classic or Lake Placid or even Old Salem to a degree. And those other shows you mentioned in the Midwest, it’s really important because we can’t have a world of just Goliaths and no David’s And and that’s really where it feels like it’s tilting between, you know, Michigan. There are people going out to Michigan for months and months and months and showing there and not leaving. And I understand that it’s convenient. You can stay there. You don’t have to move your horses around. But there’s a lot of great venues out there showing in the Northeast and have a really great summer to. 

Piper Klemm [00:26:47] And again, I think that all lends to this kind of sense that we have this national community. But we’ve we’ve lost a little bit because we’re on the road. I mean, I’m on the road all the time. Yeah, I’m part of this. But but it’s been this shift where it’s hard to invest in your local community and bring in full circle and invest in local pony clubs or find, you know, talent and help bring people up when you’re not. In your local community enough to to be part of that. 

Philip Richter [00:27:17] Yeah, I think it’s very true. And I think, you know, you look at you look at the great riders in history, you know, they they all you know, you could talk to Lesley Burr all day long about Fairfield County Hunt Club, Right. That’s where she really got going. And and it’s important. And so, you know, hopefully, hopefully we maybe go we keep the sport going forward, of course. And I think I think these series shows are good and they really they’ve institutionalized the horse show. They’ve raised prize money. I mean, Saturday Night Lights at the horse show is standing room only. If Gene Misch could see what’s happened in Wellington with the horse shows right now. I mean, he’d be so proud of what’s happened. But at the same time, to your point about community, you know, we need to make sure that we are not forgetting the next generation that we’re we’re thinking about local communities, whether it’s the the up in Westchester County or whether it’s the pony Club or whether it’s four H. And all these types of organizations have a really important point in the link in the chain for the pipeline. And then these series shows kind of dominating the entries and pulling more people, be it prize money or quality of the footing or location or ease of use. Um, we need to support the local shows too, and the regional shows that are national and not FEI. And I’m hoping that this trend that really accelerated under COVID will start to normalize and maybe people will start to go back to, you know, enjoying Upperville and going to Lake Placid in the Hamptons and shows like that. Although, you know, the Hamptons, we were sold out last year. It was a full that’s always a very successful event and there’s always high demand. But, you know, the being competitive is hard, especially now, what’s going on in Europe, the lifestyle of a lot of these show jumpers, they they they send their horses to Europe for the summer and they go over there and buy. And so there’s a lot going on, a lot of change in the industry that’s very unpredictable and very tough to stay competitive. 

Piper Klemm [00:29:35] Well. Philip Richter, thank you so much for joining us on the Plaidcast. 

Philip Richter [00:29:39] Thanks for having me. Piper, I really enjoyed it. 

Piper Klemm [00:31:41] Jay Golding is a president and founder of Bone Kare USA. Jay started working with horses at a young age and later operated a large breeding farm and ran a large hunter and jumper barn. Jay rode with trainers such as Olympic dressage rider Edith Master Sonny Brooks and Rodney Jenkins during one trip to Europe to find the next great horse.Jay was introduced to Bone Kare, which was popular with breeders and equestrians in Europe, and was asked to bring it to the United States. Welcome to the plaidcast, Jay. 

Jay Golding [00:32:12] Thank you. Very nice to be with you. 

Piper Klemm [00:32:14] So tell us a little bit about your your experience growing up with horses and then evolving into you opening your own training and breeding business. 

Jay Golding [00:32:23] Well, experience. I started riding horses when I was probably six or seven years old. There was a stable down the road and I’d ride my bicycle down and get on a horse. As time went on, I worked in the barn for free lessons, and then when I was probably in my teens, I started showing. First with a Dutch fellow by the name of Harry Gillies. And then from there rode with jumper rider Sonny Brooks and a little bit with Dave Kelly. And then I rode with George Morris for a number of years. After that, I rode with Rodney Jenkins. And after that, I helped run his sale barn. And then I started opening my own business. And that was in Virginia. It was the only place you could afford to do it realistically, as opposed to in the New York metropolitan area. And there weren’t really jump open jumpers were not really a thing in Virginia. So I branched out into hunters and I eventually started by going to Europe five or six times a year for about ten days each time looking at horses. And this fellow that I bought horses from, oh, at least 25 years. One night we’re sitting down at dinner and. He showed me a set of X-rays and scientific studies about a product he’d been working on and not not yet named even. He told me that it could help about everything that could go wrong with a horse regarding bone and soft tissue could help prevention and healing. This point, it sounded really too good to be true and certainly unrealistic. And then he said it could help cure or heal or prevent cysts or OCDs. That kind of piqued my interest because I knew there was really no product that could help with that. So I asked Andreas when he had it, if I could have it for the States. He said, sure, if you’d like. So eventually. He had it where it was ready to come to the States. And I went through all the approvals and whatever is necessary to import the product. So that’s kind of how it started. It is a patented product and is very well researched as well. 

Piper Klemm [00:35:13] So tell us about some of these specific conditions that that we see in a lot of horses, especially young horses? You know, because I feel like a lot of people competing on the circuit don’t necessarily think about essentially all their all the things their horse has been screened for before. It kind of reached the point that they bought it. 

Jay Golding [00:35:34] Well, in young horses, it can prevent or help cure enphacitis. It can prevent or remove cysts and OCDs, which is in your really young horses. So that that’s really an important thing. I mean, one of the biggest problems I know of originally buying horses in Europe was that they all had cysts or OCDs. So it works really well with that with your older horses. It helps with neck issues, arthritis, sacrum issues, ring bone side bone fractures, removes cysts. It really helps with bone bruising, back problems, just about anything that you can imagine a horse could develop. It’s bone related. It will help. Some horses take longer than others, and it’s not going to work with every single horse on earth. But it’s an amazing product in that respect. 

Piper Klemm [00:36:33] So part of what Bone Kare does is work with vitamin K. Can you tell us about why that’s so essential and how how horses lives have changed? I think. I think one of the things that it’s easy to say, oh, we supplement our horses so much compared to like, you know, the good old days we didn’t, you know, do this or that or the other thing. But. But horses, daily lives have changed so much, you know, since you were working with all those people you mentioned. And their supplements and their programs seem to change to reflect that. 

Jay Golding [00:37:04] Well, first of all, excuse me. Bone Kare is a vitamin K1 water based product. It’s in powder form. Simply put, K1 is the calcium carrier in horses. K1 carries calcium from the blood. Out of the joints into the bone matrix to help build new bone. There have been a lot of studies that have shown that that a horse kept off pasture for seven days, just seven days will start to lose bone density. The horse manufactures a certain amount of K1 in his body, not according to need just what God gave him. In order to supplement that, a horse needs 10 to 12 hours a day of pasture, green pasture that’s rich in vitamin K in order to keep healthy bones. Not all pasture has vitamin K, Not all horses metabolize it well. So other than what a horse manufactures and what he can eat in the pasture, there is no other source to build bone for horses. Hay doesn’t work because vitamin K1 is UV light intolerant and has no shelf life. When grass is cut for hay within 10 to 12 hours, the K1 is 90% degraded. You won’t find K1 in a water soluble form. Anywhere else other than in Bone Kare. So that’s basically that’s what it does. It builds new bone. Also, what you have with horses when they start, as with people, when they start to get a little sore somewhere, you’ll transfer weight or pressure to another part of your body muscles, joints, whatever, or to alleviate that pain. What Bone Kare does is it first deals with that secondary pain, which is usually muscles, tendons, it’s soft tissue, it alleviates it heals those things. And as it’s doing that, it starts to build new bone, which takes quite a bit longer. And that’s really how it works. First, the secondary, which is tends to be soft tissue, then the bone. Quite often people see very quick results because the secondary problems are pretty prominent in it and it hits those right away. So that’s basically how it works. 

Piper Klemm [00:39:50] Amazing. Well, Jake Golding, thank you so much for joining us on the Plaidcast. 

Jay Golding [00:39:55] Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate that. 

Piper Klemm [00:41:39] To learn more about anything we’ve discussed on today’s show, visit You can find show notes at Follow the Plaid Horse on all the social medias. You can subscribe to the print edition of the Plaid Horse magazine at Please write and review the plaidcast anywhere you listen to it. And if you enjoy this episode please share it with your friends, I will see you at the ring!